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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:08 am

NO CONTENDER m8

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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:04 am

im speechless... simply stunning addition bro... Respect Respect Respect Respect
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:30 am

Even if i'm not a fan of liverpool... i must say that this is a sooperb collection!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:46 pm

More match worn shirts from the Liverpool Legends XI Belfast Cup 2008 Brows



MICHAEL THOMAS MATCH WORN SMELLY SHIRT


PAUL WALSH MATCH WORN SMELLY SHIRT



MARK WATLERS MATCH WORN SMELLY SHIRT
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:04 pm

wow really cool kits there Michael! real precious not to meniont Smile

just curios - for your match worn shirts, do you wash them? Or let them retain the sweat/smell? I mean, which would be more valuable in a JCs eyes?

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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:26 pm

Well, for the smelly shirts which really stink, I cannot tolerate the hygiene condition and thus I usually wash them.

I am not the kind of crazy collector who sniff every spot of blood / mud / sweat stains. The shirt itself, no matter in laundered / unlaundered condition, has the same meaning to me as a true-heart collector.

I rather feel that those who attach to "unwashed / muddy" conditions are usually the dealers, who aim to ask for sky-rocketing prices for the shirts in so-called "original condition collected from pitch". I am not fond of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:12 pm

Yeah, for me I'd also think that a match-worn shirt is match-worn no matter what. The unwashed condition only serves as 'proof' that the item is match-worn, but then again if someone wanted to fake that it's not difficult also. And really, how would you know if all those stains are 'genuine' anyway?

Hence the importance of trust and knowing where to source and who to get the shirts from. This is the lesson taught to me by you last time Yes

In any case, I wouldn't know how to keep or display unlaundered shirts anyway! Just imagine them all in a closet or something... eeewwwwwwww! My wife will kick me out of the house for that Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:09 pm









LIVERPOOL LEGENDS XI 2008 NORTHERN IRELAND TOUR "BELFAST CUP"
- In the semi-final, Liverpool wore the red home shirts as shown in previous posts. In the final, they faced the Mancs and wore the change kit in white colour. Of course, it was the Liverpool Legends XI which won the trophy. Cheers


LIVERPOOL LEGENDS XI 2008 NORTHERN IRELAND TOUR "BELFAST CUP FINAL VS MANCS"
- GARY GILLESPIE MATCH WORN STINKY SHIRT


LIVERPOOL LEGENDS XI 2008 NORTHERN IRELAND TOUR "BELFAST CUP FINAL VS MANCS"
- MARK WATLERS MATCH WORN STINKY SHIRT


Terrible mud stains / bread mold on bottom part of the shirts Dizzy
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:35 pm

wow..
another nice kit...

Michael, I guess u travelled alot to get the kits huh ? Smile

I like the Hilton sponsor... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:08 pm

Coming soon next week..... Clap


RUSHIE RUSHIE RUSHIE.... Respect









Curator's verdict: This is an enhancement addition to my museum. I already have the Ronnie Whelan unsigned #5 shirt in my collection. I will be replacing it with the above Rushie #9 shirt autographed by the squad players. Cheers

Last but never least, let me say a farewell to my Ronnie Whelan #5 shirt, and it will go to a good home :bye


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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:05 pm

All I can say is... WOW!

RUSHIE IS DA LEGEND!!! Respect Respect Respect
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:06 pm

marvellous addition to ur collection bro...rush is da man.. plus got more legend signature on the kit.. Respect Respect
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:12 am

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Well, for the smelly shirts which really stink, I cannot tolerate the hygiene condition and thus I usually wash them.

I am not the kind of crazy collector who sniff every spot of blood / mud / sweat stains. The shirt itself, no matter in laundered / unlaundered condition, has the same meaning to me as a true-heart collector.

I rather feel that those who attach to "unwashed / muddy" conditions are usually the dealers, who aim to ask for sky-rocketing prices for the shirts in so-called "original condition collected from pitch". I am not fond of it.

I agree with Michael totally! I cannot imagine having a filthy grubby shirt sitting in my wardrobe. No

I prefer to collect match issued shirts that are clear and pristine. Either that or like Mike said, laundered! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:39 am

@Michael,
hmm...
about those signed shirts, are they washed before they signed or they signed without washing it ? Hmm

If they sign on a dirty shirts, did you wash it ?
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:31 pm

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@Michael,
hmm...
about those signed shirts, are they washed before they signed or they signed without washing it ? Hmm

If they sign on a dirty shirts, did you wash it ?

All the shirts so far I got are "signed after worn". For the old vintage shirts (70s & 80s), the stink usually evaporated / vanished for decades so I won't be washing it even if I find some mud / blood stains. The reason is that these aged stains can't be removed even if I wash the shirt nowadays.

But for the present match worn signed shirts, I am taking the bet whether to wash them or not, even they come with autographs. It's a 50-50 chance: either it's signed with water-markers or permanent-ink marker. If it's the former case, the stinky smell together with the autographs can be washed away (or paling) together.
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:41 pm

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Yeah, for me I'd also think that a match-worn shirt is match-worn no matter what. The unwashed condition only serves as 'proof' that the item is match-worn, but then again if someone wanted to fake that it's not difficult also. And really, how would you know if all those stains are 'genuine' anyway?

Hence the importance of trust and knowing where to source and who to get the shirts from. This is the lesson taught to me by you last time Yes

In any case, I wouldn't know how to keep or display unlaundered shirts anyway! Just imagine them all in a closet or something... eeewwwwwwww! My wife will kick me out of the house for that Laughing

A lot of the sellers tell me that they are offering me the match worn, but I don't care whether it is match worn or not, as long as the jerseys are match issue. Those sellers can do the fake match worn by just wearing the match issue they got in hand to play in the pitch. When he got sweat, mud and dirt everywhere, then he tells you it is match worn. Club jersey is more probable to obtain the real match worn because they played more than 40 matches in a season (friendly, cups..etc). However, national team jersey's match worn is harder to obtain. It is because how many games do they play a year or a season? 15? 20? I believe not more than 25 games a year. Even though my most trustable source sometimes tell me that he is offering me match worn, I don't really bother it. I will assume the jersey is match worn just if I get the jersey from the player itself. Or you have picture or video as a proof.

I really like Michael Yip's collection and his website. He organizes each category of the jersey very well and throughly. I wish I could create a site just like he did.
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:06 am

Just got hold of my Rushie shirt today and an autograph map is under progress. Respect



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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:51 am

That is a gem kit you have there Michael.

Match worn + signed shirt some more... Priceless..
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:04 am

huiiyyoooo... nice kit michael... Respect Respect Respect
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:06 am

schmeichel7 wrote:

Match worn + signed shirt some more... Priceless..
this statement should edit abit...
lets make it this way..

Matchworn + Original signed shirt.. Laughing

cos now days, many people out there are selling signed shirt, which I think most of it are preprinted ?
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:24 am

dear Yip, I am confused about 1995/96 player shirts. Why some numbers have adidas written on and some dont? and also McManaman's name on the shirt, for the letter C, why some are on top and some are on bottom? Thanks in advance!
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:19 am

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dear Yip, I am confused about 1995/96 player shirts. Why some numbers have adidas written on and some dont? and also McManaman's name on the shirt, for the letter C, why some are on top and some are on bottom? Thanks in advance!

I was informed that the club prepared 4 shirts for each match - two of them with the Adidas words on the numbers, and two of them do not. Mostly the ones without Adidas words will be picked by players as the first option.

Regarding the position of small-c of name Macca, I reckon you will ONLY find the wrongly positioned one for the counterfeit / unofficial names & numberings.
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:35 am

Michael,

I do not know if you agree with me but the present MW shirt market is effectively "dead". No one is willing to pay for the shirt because of the influx of fakes in the market in recent years. This dilution has greatly dimisnished collectors' confidence.

In my opinion, the earlier vintage shirts, pre-2002 but more so pre-1990s, were easier to identify the differences on a genuine shirt.
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:02 am

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Michael,

I do not know if you agree with me but the present MW shirt market is effectively "dead". No one is willing to pay for the shirt because of the influx of fakes in the market in recent years. This dilution has greatly dimisnished collectors' confidence.

In my opinion, the earlier vintage shirts, pre-2002 but more so pre-1990s, were easier to identify the differences on a genuine shirt.

I can't agree more. The myth of skyrocketing price for modern shirts has vanished already, no matter for Liverpool or otherwise clubs' shirts in my opinion.

Over the past few years, dealers with conscience told me the same aforesaid verdict (or when you attempt to sell back the unwanted stuff to them). Only some bloodhounds for money always tell you "the market never dies".

Overall speaking, as long as the manufacturer produces player (specification) shirts in bulk quantity and not controls their flooding in the market, there hardly exists any support to the prices of modern shirts. Of course I never say player specification shirts are substitute for genuine match worn shirts with good proverance, at least, the presence of plain player stocks causes an undeniably price cap to the authentic match worn shirts.

As always, I am only keen on collecting the oldies shirts (70s / 80s) with clearly defined structurally authentication differences and potentially no risk of flooding of player specification shirts. (Thanks God there's no time machine for people to travel back and get surplus from Adidas / Umbro factories. And the manfacturers' philosophy of producing kits then was totally different from what we see now).
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PostSubject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum   Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:24 am

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Overall speaking, as long as the manufacturer produces player (specification) shirts in bulk quantity and not controls their flooding in the market, there hardly exists any support to the prices of modern shirts. Of course I never say player specification shirts are substitute for genuine match worn shirts with good proverance, at least, the presence of plain player stocks causes an undeniably price cap to the authentic match worn shirts.

Am on the same page as you on this. I now only focus on my attention on Liverpool shirts between 2000 & 2006. I still believe most of the Reebok shirts were harder to fake, had more distinct differences and were not as readily available as Adidas Formotion, etc although I could be still sorely mistaken on this fact.

I have not yet jumped onto the vintage shirts bandwagon as yet as I am not as familiar with that era of football shirts plus the distinct lack of the availability of information/pictures/videos on the internet to source to determine authenticity of a shirt. I am therefore fearful of threading into unknown territory.
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